SPEAKER_05 0:03

Hello, everyone. Muni, how's it going? Hi, good. What's up? Nothing much. So today, Munni, we have a very special guest joining us.

SPEAKER_04 0:13

We do.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

Her name is Masin Zahid. She's her videos on TikTok and on Instagram have gone insanely wild. She does great deep deep dives on scandals and stuff. So Masin, hello. Hi. Thank you guys so much for inviting me to do this. I'm super excited. We are too. I'm having a fangirl moment, I must say, because I have followed you for a few years now, and you are just so good. So thank you so much for your videos.

SPEAKER_04 0:44

Um, yes, and then Kavita got me into it. So then I started following you as well. And it's been so fun, like watching all your videos on TikTok, on Instagram, and you do some great job and the deep dives. Thank you guys so much.

SPEAKER_05 0:57

Do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_02 0:59

Yeah, so I mean, this is this is very rare because I usually never talk about myself in deep dives. I usually just start the deep dive and people figure out whatever they want to figure out about me. But uh I'm Mausine, I'm from Canada, I live in Montreal, I'm Bengali, my parents are from Bangladesh. I was born here though. I was born in Montreal. But, you know, no matter what, I think one thing I remember from my childhood, I remember a lot of things, but they're definitely Bollywood movies. In fact, fun fact, and I've trauma dumped this on TikTok before, but I was so obsessed with Kuch Kuchotahe growing up. Very toxic movie now. I've done deep dives of it and debunked all the things that are wrong with that movie. But when I was a child, it was I was three when it came out. Um, I was so obsessed with it. I was I would watch it 24-7. It would finish and I would start it again. So much so that one day my dad came back from work, he took the cassette and he threw it out the window and a truck crashed it in front of me. Yeah, a truck crashed it in front of me. I was three. I was like, I was traumatized. But I think if that does not describe how much I love Bollywood movies growing up, to the point where I made a parent go crazy. I don't know what other example to give you to explain how much I loved it.

SPEAKER_05 2:18

Yeah, that's perfect. And I'll have to say, Kuch Kuchotahe is my number one movie of all time. I was a lot older than you when I watched it, but still I love that movie so much. And that like that gave that gave me my Shahruk that I love so much.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

So she does love that movie. We also did like a uh breakdown of that movie and talked about all the sweetness in it, but it's still such so much nostalgia, so much of Bollywood is what we grew up with, and it's just like when you think of Bollywood, you think of like Kutchkuch, D DLJ for me. Um, but those are the movies that you think about, right? Like Karan Johar and Yashiraj did a good job of like creating this world for us who don't live in India, that made this world for us that we till this day still remember those movies and still talk about it and met Sharukan, the icon icon that he is. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 3:07

Well, again, we're very, very excited to have you on the show, Masin. Let's uh let's do our do our regular thing, Muni. How about some um what Bollywood stuff have you guys watched this week? Anything fun? It could be non-Bollywood too, just anything.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Oh well, obviously we I mean the the show everybody is talking about. We all watched bads of Bollywood. Yes. I mean, that's something that I finished watching last week. Uh we watched it in one go. My brother, who doesn't always watch Bollywood shows as well, he even sat down and watched the entire show and we have not stopped talking about it.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

I was just gonna ask you, did you binge it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bads has been like been on all my feeds nonstop. Still, I told my husband, I was like, you need to watch this so we can talk about it. Cause I want to need, I need your opinions on this too, so we could like go into it.

SPEAKER_05 4:17

Because she's like, all the other people I've talked about are sick of me talking about it with them. I need somebody new to talk about.

SPEAKER_04 4:23

I need someone, I need him to watch it so he could he and I can go talk about it. It just it was really good, right? So I want him to like see this good cinema, like good series. So I was like, you have to watch it. She did this to him with Sayara too. She dragged him to the theater. Poor guy. I did. I did, I did drag him to theater to watch Sayara. Did he cry? Did you cry? I cried. I cried like okay, Capita will say I was bawling in the theater. She was wrong. That's her impression. Tears. I was saying that there were there were sad parts of it, and that makes me cry. I just I cry in general in like sad scenes. So there's some scenes for me that was emotional. He didn't cry, but he found like the ending to be like really sweet and like cute. So he that that's his thing. It's like every time he sees the ending, and he made his parents watch it like two days ago when he was there, and they they also were like, it's a good movie, but we don't see why people were crying so much about it. But exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

So I did not cry because I've watched Gajini, and nothing has made me cry since I've watched Gajini. My phone is on silent because I've watched Gajini. My parents hate me for it because it's always on silent. And I'm like, I saw what happened to Sanjeana and Gajini. My phone stays off. If I pick up, good for you. If I don't go fent for yourself, I'm not putting my phone on finger. And ever since that movie, I don't think any and kalhuna ho, those movies made me cry so much. And Vir Zara that I saw Sayara, and I'm like, good rec good adaptation for this generation. I mean, yeah, but I did not cry. It was sad and it was sweet, but I was like, eh.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

Alright, I just watched Sardar, Sard Son of Sardar 2, and there was like one scene. I know why did I watch it? Because I was background, no. Background noise. It was background noise. You were gonna ask me what movie I watched. Sardar 2. Son of Sardar 2. I was like, I heard someone said it was funny. I was like, let me watch it. It's it's really bad. I don't please don't even watch it. It's it's so bad. I tried to understand the movie. I didn't understand it. It was a silly movie to watch in the background, but there are there's like one scene, someone gets emotional, and I was crying. Like wiping my teeth.

unknown 6:31

I know.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

I'm telling you. No, I saw that one song, that one song with the thumb, the fingers, and I was like, I'm not watching this. I don't even want to watch the song.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

It was mommy finger, mommy finger, mommy finger. Like, I don't know if you guys have that in Canada or not, but like we have this song that says mommy finger, like a little kid's rhythmy rhyme. Yeah. And it's like and it was ridiculous. Yeah. It's not worth the watch. I'm gonna say it, it's not worth it. Don't watch it.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Okay, so you watched Son of Sardar, you watched Bads. I also watched, well, I re-watched one episode of Bads, The Imran Hash Me. I that was my favorite episode.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

It is so good. Spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen it, she might say some stuff. So I'm gonna do it. No, I'm not gonna say anything. I'm just gonna say that's all I watched.

SPEAKER_05 7:15

I thought it was fantastic, and I re-watched it because it was that good.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

So that's why I want Thanim to watch this because I want him to see that episode because I think it's such a hilarious episode.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

I think Raghov was the perfect character to cast for Pervaise because he's you know the main lead's best friend, but also he's just so natural. It's basically him playing him that, you know, that silly but also adorable and caring character that I've seen. I mean, I've seen him since his dance show days. Yes, you know, so uh it's really a big deal. But just how he portrayed that scene, how he started singing in Arabic, I was like losing it. And it was just so I just felt natural. I didn't even feel like I lost it.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

I couldn't stop laughing at that scene. Like it was just so good, and then they took a close-up shot of his face and a tear coming down. I was like, Why are you crying? What's going on? This morning I was reading an I think an interview of his or something where he talked about like he wasn't trying to be comic at that moment, he was being serious, and the tear came naturally to him. That that's it was natural, it wasn't something that he was added, it was just a natural for him. Like, if I try to be comedic, I don't think it wouldn't portray it. Like, I just was myself at that moment, and that tear came out.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

I mean, and what he said is really true, like the entire Bollywood on one end and like Imran Harshmi on the other, because of course, growing up, seeing him on screen gave me major anxiety because I was like, oh god, like I don't want to see lip locking. I mean, I was a kid, you know, but he really did like go beyond the norms and he did the scenes that actors did not want to do because of that sole reason of breaking like certain norms and stuff. But he was the one who did it, and not only that, he was just a good actor while portraying it. So he wasn't just seen as I candy.

SPEAKER_05 9:05

I I feel like his stories, if you go beyond the kissing and all that, the stories were actually really good. Very good. I feel like a lot of people didn't give him his due because they're like, oh, all he does is kiss people on on in his movies. Like, no, it's actually deeper than that.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

So and he's a good actor, like he honestly is good. Yeah, he's good. So I love that Aryan was able to portray what we all feel about Amaran Hashmi, right? Like it's a feeling, and the fact that everyone agrees to this, it's like it's like Aryan really understands the audience, right? That's what makes it really cool that he actually really understands it. And the fact that no people just can't stop talking about Amaran Hashmi's section. People can't stop talking about, yeah, it's can't, they just can't stop talking about it. So he did something really well, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:48

So but then also I liked how he used Imran Harshmi to be an intimacy coach, still keeping that that image of of course he's an intimacy coach. He's Imran Hashmi, you know, that's what we know him for. So we he showed that respect to him that listen, you're very special and you're different, and we appreciate your work, but then also kept that cliche and like, of course, he's an intimacy coach.

SPEAKER_05 10:14

So I really like that. And I think he was one of the like longer cameos, like aside from like Karin Johar and all that. I think he was one of the longer ones. And it was just really good. And it's so funny, like we just uh uh in one of our other episodes, we talk about Aryan Khan and how like we feel like he's our son because I don't know why he's like Bollywood's son, like we feel like we know him, even though like we don't know him, but we're like our son, our our son did such a good job directing.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

So yeah, we were very proud of this proud parent-aunt type of feeling towards Aryan Khan doing this amazing, amazing series that we actually feel that way.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Yeah, I was shocked. I mean, my brother and I were like, you know what? Like for a Nepo kid, everybody else that we've seen, it's been pretty underwhelming. I'm not going to lie, and I'm glad that he chose the directing part because he's really good at it. Like, and it just proves the fact that we don't care if you're a Neppo baby or not, because that's been a debate. We don't care if you're a Neppo baby. I'm happy for you. What we care about is what we're seeing on screen. Is it worth it? The two, three hours I'm giving you, is it worth it? If a Neppo baby is a good actor, we're very happy for them. But you know, when we see that they're not the best or it's underwhelming, but we keep having to see them on screen, that's what irritates us. But with Aryan Khan in this scenario, we loved what he did, and I'm excited to see his other work. I'm not like, oh, are you serious? I'm like, oh my god, yes, do more. Like, I want to see it.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

Actually, very, very well put, very well put. Exactly what we're looking for. We're like, if you're Neppo baby, wonderful, but give us quality. Don't give us quantity, John V. Kapoor. Exactly. Oh god, John V. Beautiful girl, good dancer. That's about it. All right, Mudni, what is the internet obsessed with this week? Can you give us a trending topic, please?

SPEAKER_04 12:16

Well, we we know what the internet is very, very uh obsessed with this. Uh I think for probably the next couple of months they'll be obsessed with. But in between that, we have a little bit of things happening. So I think one of the things was that we mentioned a couple of weeks ago uh the uh national awards. And so they this this week they actually gave the awards to the uh winners. So I think we talked about 12th fail was the movie that won. Um, and for best actor in leading role, we had uh Shara Khan for Joan, which there's a lot, there's a there's a lot of things for that. No, no, he deserves it for Joanne. Okay. Yes, he deserves it. And then for 12th fail was Vikrant Masay. Um and the best actress was uh Rani Mukriji for that Mrs. Chaterji versus Norway.

SPEAKER_05 13:03

Did you see how cute they were? Like the videos of like Shah Rukhan and Rani Mukriji. Like, I think there was one video where Shah Ru Khan is like smoothing down her hair and it was really cute, and it's like, of course, lifting her her paloo because that's what he does. He's such a nice person. And then why is he lifting her palu?

SPEAKER_04 13:19

Because it was dragging, it was dragging, so he's lifting it off the floor. Yeah, like he picks it up. Yeah, I was like, why is he lifting?

SPEAKER_05 13:26

No, it was sweet, it was very sweet. And then there was another video of like um Rani Mukherji. I like Shahrakhan put it on, could he couldn't put on his metal properly, so she she's just like unraveling it for him. It was cute. I thought it was so cute.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Oh, that's really cute. They're they're good friends, right? Rani and him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

They go long back, right? I mean, uh they've been doing movies since forever. I mean, I think Kutchkuch Hoka He was Rani Mukherji's second or first movie in Bond, but I don't know. Hulam was what she debuted in, and I did up over. No, she debuted in Rajaki Ayagi Bar. Rajaki Aigi Barat. Yeah, Rajaki Aigi Barat. So she was very new in the industry. Yeah, I mean, she talked about it too. I I know it's Hulam before Kuchkuch because her voice got dubbed. It wasn't considered to be like good enough and she couldn't speak up about it. Yeah, yeah. Amer and the production decided, like, listen, we need to dub your voice. And she said that I was very new, I didn't know what to do. And then she got Kuch Kuch Wathel, which was like a big deal for her. Um, so they go very long way back, and it gave me nostalgic feelings. Like, oh my god, this is like childhood. I feel like she's known for her voice.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

I love her voice. Me too. With Rajaki, I gave her out her, she had the normal voice. Then I heard her in Gulam, and I was like, Whoa, this voice sounds weird. And they dubbed it, and you know they stay dubbed it. And then with Kuchushota, she did her normal voice. Because it's very raspy, it's very different than everyone else. And I love her voice and love her too. She's such a great actress. Well, so that's it for trending topics this week. Uh, everything else is on bad of Bollywood. So watch that. So thank you. Thank you for the breaking news. All right, so we have Mawson here. So, what else can we talk about but amazing deep dive scandals? Um, and this week we really wanted to go into Shiny Ahuja, uh, his story, and Ma sin has a great video on it, and we thought it'd be great to have her on and talk about this deep scandal. So, Macin, the floor is yours.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yes, so I've done two videos on Shinya Huja's case. The first one was when I first started doing deep dives as a whole in 2023, but I kept calling them Shinea Huja. I felt really bad. So then last year I was like, you know what? I'm going to revisit this case.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

I mess up words all the time, and Kavita's always correcting me. He's like, You're saying the name wrong, you're saying this wrong. So everything.

SPEAKER_05 15:46

I'm like, what are you saying? Can you spell it for me and I'll tell you how to say it?

SPEAKER_02 15:52

But I guess it helped because I love revisiting cases when new information comes out. And I revisited this case not too long ago, I think November or October of 2024, maybe even later, because Akshit Kana and Richard Chadda did a movie called Section 375. And that story was actually inspired by the Shine Ahuja-made scandal case. And the director actually came and confirmed this himself that yes, this story is loosely, not even loosely, but very much an adaptation of what happened to my friend Shiny Ahuja. Because what happened was, you know, he was a leading actor and he was doing really well. And the movies he was doing, they were all hits, right? We saw him in Gangster, we saw him in Blue Bulaya, which we don't even have to talk about how big of a hit that was. And then Shinya Huja actually admitted that yes, something had taken place between them, but it was consensual. So why am I being accused of SA? However, in this case it's tricky because the maid was 17 years old and she cannot consent to you. So even if it's consensual, she cannot. And the story behind this is he would tell the maid, like, you know, I'll get you into both the typical that we see in movies all the time. It's very sad, but it's very much a reality. Casting couchy type of stuff. Like casting couchy type of stuff. And the director himself was like, you know, we would go to Shiny's house. I saw the maid myself. She's like a little kid, she's 17. She would, you know, help around the house. You're cheating on your wife, which is not okay. And then this you're promising somebody, you know, movies and opportunities when you know that in a there's a power imbalance here. You know that she's not at the same level as you when it comes to being in the industry or just work in itself. And how many times do we see these people getting chances in the movie anyway, right? But also third, you played that, but it was a consensual game. She's 17. So no, it was not. So I think because of that, it was just very messy. And I think that in Bollywood, people get involved in a lot of cases. We've seen drug scandals and cheating and affairs scandals. But when it comes to SA, even though we have casting couch and all these things, I mean, we've seen it on television and movies for a reason. It it ha it's been shown because of real examples that the directors have seen. But when it gets that out in the open and you don't have a lot of neple powers or a lot of power, and you're just an actor who's rising, it's easier to just cut you off and not work with you than to defend you. Which is why I feel like because of this, he was never able to make a comeback. Now, do I believe that if he was somebody of greater power, would he have been able to maybe come back and escape it? I'm not sure because it also takes me to the Jia Khan and Suraj Pancholi case where his dad is an actor.

SPEAKER_05 19:26

He's a dad's an actor, but he's Suraj not Suraj, Aditya Pancholi, right? But he's not like what if you what if what if Shiny was part of like the Kapoor family or one of the Khan families?

SPEAKER_02 19:39

It's different. It it depending on the family. But even in Suraj Pancholi's case, his dad is Aditya Pancholi, but um the cases I've done, the move videos I've done for this case, and what I've read online, I mean, allegedly what we've read online and what I've covered so far is that Aditya Panjoli got a lot of help from Salman Khan, who's one of the most powerful people in the industry.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Miss Call from somebody. I called back Suraj, where are you? Who's this? Salman.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

To help Suraj Panjoli. So having a Khan on your side, coming from a family. I mean, Aditya Panjoli's mother, also, Zarina Wahhab, is a is an actress as well. He comes from a family of actors, and he still wasn't quite able to make that comeback as well because of such serious charges. So it really depends. You need to see what level of power do you even have in the industry. Even if your parents are actors, if it's not one of the higher, higher, higher ups, it's really hard to come back from it. And it's easier for people to cut someone off and to deal with it if they don't have a lot to offer in the industry anyway.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Absolutely. I think the what I was gonna say was that um the Salman Khan part is really important, right? Because um, not only was uh Aditya Patrick getting help for Salman Khan, uh, but he was launching um that that was his launch. Salman Khan, that was his guy that he was launching. So that was the that was his uh he was gonna be the mentor. Salman Khan was supposed to be his mentor. So I think Salman Khan did a lot of help in that. And I think recently either you posted it or I saw somewhere else where um Gia's mom is like constantly saying that my daughter did not commit murder suicide, is definitely be Aditya Panjoli. And I think she also calls out Salman or like something like that. The big families are like helping cover up her death.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

I think it came out, it came out more after the Sushan Singh Rajput case than like Gia Khan got brought back into the thing and like it just blew up again, basically. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Yes, so if we are going into that, it is very true that the mother has been very vocal about you know Jia did not commit suicide. And I've covered Gia's case so much. I mean, after Sushan passed away, I've made tons of videos. I mean, there's a video of me linking like Viviya Bharti, Jia's Irvine Bobby's, Sushan, all of their cases that they have such eerie similarities. I mean, I'm not demeaning anybody, and I'm not definitely saying that mental health didn't play a part. Of course, that's very important, but that's not the only reason why you know what happened to them had happened. If they were, her mom would not be fighting all these years. And not only that, she also fights for Sushan's justice, being like, look at the similarities, it's a pattern. I feel like nowadays we speak a lot about it. We've definitely seen the same similar patterns in Divya's case and the mystery aspect, Raven Babi's case, but social media wasn't as big as it was, and people it would get buried away and people would forget about it. But now we keep talking about it. But I did see that when I did um video on Surah Spin Juli, he's trying to come back by making a documentary of how Jia's death impacted his career and how poor him and how you know he got Shut up. Yeah, he got like his chance got stolen from him. Yeah, he's trying to be the victim here. So I remember, and you know what's funny actually. I've said the I've said such shady things about such shady people in the industry in my videos, allegedly, of course, but I say it from my own mouth, and I've never been reported. No video of mine has ever been reported, it's never been taken down. But I made one video on Seurus Fentoli when that documentary announcement came out, and I was like, let her rest in peace. Like, you cannot use someone's death as like a stringing along scenario to get back into the limelight. I said something along that line, and that's the one video that got taken down of mine. I mean, I don't think that's a coincidence.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

Oh wow, that's not a coincidence.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I got a I got a warning being like, hey, like this has been like flagged and taken down for you bashing someone falsely. And I'm like, who could possibly have done that? Because who would go this far to getting a a Nasuraj Pancholi video taken down where I'm talking about Jia Khan and I was like, okay, I know who did this, okay, like it's crazy because I've said I'm telling you, weirder things about bigger people, and it's never happened.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

I paid a very tough price to be uh Star Kid's son, and I paid a very tough price to be my father's son because my father has a certain image for since you went into that.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

Can we talk about your Farrakhan interaction?

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Oh, yeah, oh my god, yeah. So that I was freaking out at the moment because what happened was I mean, I was posting, I I was I've been posting on TikTok. Recently I've been posting my deep drives on Instagram. So in TikTok, India is India does not have access to TikTok. But I had posted this video a long time ago in 2023, like three hidden signs in Om Shantiyom that hints that the movie could be based, could be based on Divya Bharti's life. And there were just three three similarities, like Divya Bharti's name and Sharuk Khan's name in the movie, you know, stuff like that. The the Arjun Rampal's character being Sajig Nadia Adwala, just things that have been said on the internet way long before I even made this video. So I posted that video on Instagram, the video blew up, of course, and then Farah Khan saw it somehow, and she left two comments on it. It's crazy. Yeah, the first one was what nonsense are you guys putting up? Get a grip. And the funny thing is that I didn't even notice she made that comment because I have so many notifications and so many comments coming in. Somebody took that comment and shared it on their story, tagged me. That's how I know she commented in the first place. Arsa wouldn't have known. And the guy was like, I love the internet, what is going on? And then right after that story, I think within a span of like five minutes or something, so she came back to the video and then commented again, saying, like, you're one legal case away from being sued. And I'm like, Whoa. I literally it says it says all is alleged at the bottom. I'm not demeaning you or the movie or talking bad about anyone, they're just speculations. And I commented back and I'm like, listen, it's nothing personal to you, it's just a theory and it's alleged. I don't think she, I don't know if she realized that I'm from Canada or something, because technically, how can you sue me if something is alleged, first of all, but also we're in different jurisdictions. So I don't know how that would have worked out for you. But when I commented that everybody else, I don't think they this is this is proof of how much we've changed as a whole when it comes to viewers of Bollywood. We do not put these people on pedestals anymore because of social media and the cases of scene. We've definitely started to realize that we need to see them for who they are, and they're amazing sometimes. But the bullying and the cutting out and the politics. So everybody on the video, they were like, Are you triggered? Why are you triggered? Why is this girl's video triggering you so much that you feel the need to threaten her? And somebody brought up her brother, like, you need to go check your brother and all the allegations against him, you know, like, and then I think one comment that must have really gotten to her because she deleted the comment right after, was and I thank this person, was like, you know, this is really big proof. If you can bully someone like this who's not even in India on a video, like publicly, how much do you guys really bully outsiders of Bollywood who are in India? Like, if you're doing this to her or you can't even reach her, what do you do to people who you could reach? And very shortly after that, she removed the comment. But I had screenshotted it and I was having a panic attack, and I'm like, I don't want to get sued, I don't have time for this. I had a presentation on Monday, I don't have time for this, and my friends were like, she's not gonna sue you. But I think that really gave her that realization that oh my god, people are out to get us. We have more people seeing us for who we are than just the glamour and the lights don't get to them anymore. So that was really that was a really scary experience. I did not take the video down, of course. I didn't for you. Yeah, it was alleged, but yeah, I almost got sued by Farrakhan. I mean, it's sad. My my brother was like, You're telling me the woman who made Menhuna hates you?

SPEAKER_04 28:50

It's so friendly. Yeah. Oh no. No, I think I think what probably saved you on that situation was that you wrote alleged on the bottom because that's what they do in the beginning, right? Whenever Indian movies come out, and one of the reasons why I think uh Samir Wakande's um case from the court got thrown out was because in the beginning, Ariane Khan puts all representative all representation about any characters is coincidence, nothing's there. So you writing alleged was your key thing on it, and then her realizing by making that comment herself, she's making herself more guilty, right? Like seemed a little bit more guilty on that sense. So she just realized, oh shoot, I need to like not even engage. If I ignore this, it just goes away. I don't make a big deal about it. But no, as soon as you engage with something that could be true or that might be true, then it makes like you a guilty party kind of like that, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:35

So and that's the crazy part that it's the fact that everybody just saw that. Why are you so triggered about a theory video? And everybody spot them, we're like, you know, this just makes me feel like something she's saying is exactly like you're making it seem like this, not the person who made the video, you're making it seem like something she said in this video, one thing or another, maybe by accident, maybe how I said it, some. Something must have tricked you. Something must have been on the point in that video for you to be so triggered that you're commenting this on someone's someone's video. And you know, I thought about it. She could have DM'd me and it would have been personal, like, hey, I'm gonna sue you. But she did she did it publicly on purpose because she expected people to maybe bash me too. Like maybe she thought if I do it publicly, she'll be publicly shamed or she'll feel scared or they will bully her because I'm far a con. But when the complete opposite happened, she was like, Oh man, because if you really did want to do something like that with me, it's usually through a DM. Like I have gotten, I don't really share it, but I have gotten like DMs from people from the industry who are in this crew or have worked with this director out to me all the time, and they're like, you know, I've worked with this director, and this is true. I've worked with this person, I worked with your vanity gang, I've done this, but it's usually personal, it's never in a comment because they genuinely just want to say it to me. So it's different, right? She didn't publicly for a reason and it backfired on her. So that was it, it it really was.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

I know it was scary for you, but I kind of think it's kind of cool that you got Barakan to comment on your video. I know it's scary, but it's also kind of cool that that actually happened.

SPEAKER_05 31:21

Because again, you're not saying anything that nobody hasn't said before. Like we've heard these theories since Om Shantiom came out years ago. So you putting out this video a year or two ago is not it's nothing new.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

So no, not at all.

SPEAKER_05 31:35

Strange that she took it to another level.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Yeah, I and I like you said, Kabita, she bec I feel like she took it to another level. Otherwise, it would have been perfectly fine if she didn't think.

SPEAKER_05 32:01

I think we should go back to China Hoja because we went, we kind of like went around. This is what we're so bad at tangents, we always go off on tangents every time.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

So that's the that's the thing about the industry, everything is so interconnected and everybody's so connected to one another that it will go off tangents. But speaking of him, yes, it's sad, you know, you don't have enough power, you're a rising actor with no powerful background or a godfather. And I mean, his wife supports him till this day, which I guess they they have something figured out or they talk things out. I know that he has a daughter, so I know. I mean, we don't want to get into the marriage stuff, but she believes in him, she she's still with him, she supports him and gets uh lawyer for Shiny and says, I need you to defend my husband. I know that he tried to come back into the industry and did some movies, but I it didn't we didn't really get it on top of the stuff. That's what I'm saying. What is he doing? Like uh I know he did a movie called like Ghost or something in 2012. Like he tried to come back.

SPEAKER_04 33:01

Um Wikipedia is saying that he did Ghost, and then he was also in Welcome Back. Yeah. Um back. He was which I didn't see Welcome Back, so I didn't know he was in it. But yeah, I think I think what you're what we're saying is that intersey just doesn't forgive something like this, especially if you don't have a big backing, right? Like you don't have someone backing you up. Um it's so so you can or like a big name, like you're not like uh like we said earlier, a con or a Kapoor where you can could just come back out of it. Um but yeah, you're uh he did he did try to come back, but it didn't look like he's gonna be able to make it.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Even a movie like Welcome Back, I mean that movie was so if you think about it, it's a big franchise, it was a hit. In my opinion, in my opinion, from what I've seen in the past, if he was a part of a huge family, like a huge, huge family, a case like this would have been buried. I don't even think they would have heard it in the media. I mean, they would have probably paid off. I mean, from what I think, what I've seen in other movies and other scenarios, they would have paid off the other party, or they would have kept it hush hush. We you know, it would have been dismissed if it was somebody really that big or the narrative would have changed because they have the PR teams, they have so much on the line. But for an actor like this, they don't have that type of resources.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

So I think also we were trying to say we what you I think you said earlier was that um someone didn't want him to be because he was being he was doing so good, like his trajectory was looking really good, right? So somewhere something that if if there was something else that's notorious behind it that caused this to happen or that not caused it, but like more like pushed it towards where he gets caught and goes to goes to jail and all this type of stuff. If that was someone else, then they don't want him to come back, right? So it doesn't matter if he makes four or five movies with big people, they're gonna make sure this person doesn't get more uh uh more startups.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

I mean, it's exactly like the Sushan Singh Rajput case, right? The only difference is that he was killed, whereas this guy is just like not allowed back in the industry, or if he does come back, he he's not gonna be as big as he was. Because like Gangster, great movie. Um, Life in a Metro. I loved him in Life in a Metro. Like he had some really amazing, amazing stu um movies, and you're right, he had a high traject high trajectory, but I think you're you're right, Moni. Somebody could have, or some people, a group of people could have been like, no, we this guy we don't want him to take over.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

Uh oh no, I was just gonna add that I think I think that's true in this not true, but like the thought process can be true in the sense that um someone or some group of people maybe offended someone, you know? Maybe he didn't, he was supposed to do something and he didn't do it, and they were like, well, guess what, buddy? You're not gonna do what we're telling you to do, then we're gonna ruin your like career. Like, wait until we ruin it. And somehow he got caught up into all of this stuff. Not saying that he'd, you know, what the girl is saying is untrue or whatever it is, we don't know. Like, we're not actual, we weren't there, we don't know what the f true story is. But as far as the case went, as he's being pushed out of the industry, it could be something like that. So yeah, it's such an interesting case, Shiny.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

But sometimes, and we've seen this again and again also that it's a Neppo, it's a Neppo world with powers and connections, and sometimes an outsider comes in and they're better than the Nepo kids and they feel threatened and they want to keep it their world, and they try to outcast, they they feel threatened. That's initially what it is. You're really good, you're better than us. We cannot have you showcase that and make people think that you're better than us. We're just going to outcast you by doing something that you know it's undeniable or something, so you don't get the opportunities and take it away from us. And this has been shown with Sushant as well. I mean, so many people were threatened by his power, he wasn't getting movies in the end anymore because people were just threatened by him. I mean, his talent speaks for himself, he didn't, he wasn't a bad actor. And I think I've done a similar video on Karaswitaria as well. How she has acting experience. I mean, she was in two Disney shows, she's drop dead, gorgeous, you know. She has acting, she has acting experience, way more experience than maybe a lot of metal kids have. But we don't see her anywhere, we don't see her doing the good movies, we don't see her doing the hit movies, she didn't she doesn't get the A1 scripts, probably like has to choose from whatever nobody else is doing. I mean, allegedly, but we see people who are often a lot more talented get sidetrapped, not because there's something wrong with them, but because they're good and they're better than the people who are who are in more power. And we've seen that with Vivi Cobroy as well, right?

SPEAKER_04 38:07

When he's at the conference with Salman Khan and it was just Well, that was that was kind of his fault. He should not have gone after Salman Khan like that. Like you really have to think about going after Salman Khan. So you kind of put yourself in that position. Like, cause he was already he was already moving, his trajectory wasn't bad. He already did really good movies, he had all these great things, but that incident himself, I think if he didn't say anything, a big conference call, and he just had a fight with Salman, kind of probably would have been let go. But you made the industry see that, oh, he's not a he's not a guy guy, he's not an industry, he's not one of us. Because if you call someone out, he's gonna snitch them out, he's gonna call us out. So everyone's like, oh, we don't wanna work with someone like that who's gonna call conference call, like make us look bad. We don't want to work with that. So he kind of like dug his own hole, I feel, in that situation where he did it publicly, as opposed to like just you know, having the normal spot here and there, you publicly called the reporters to your house and made this statement. And you think the industry's gonna want to work with you? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

That's interesting to say because I thought about this a lot, and I was like, we learned from examples because when Sushan passed away and all the bullying um allegations, the Neppo allegations, how he was being treated unfairly, how you know he wasn't getting the good enough movies or stuff like that came out that really impacted his mental health because he was good. People were just saying, Man, I wish he could have called a conference, I wish he would have spoken out. Like we would have heard you out, we would have supported you, but that's now. But how do we know that maybe he was thinking, hey, people have tried to do this before and it hasn't helped the scenario? Like you're scared to speak out, and that then people thought it was better to stay quiet, but after he passed away, I saw how much we changed because we were like, You could have just spoken out, dude. Like social media is so much bigger now, we would have heard you out, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

You would have made a difference. Sushant's case would be another good one too for us to do a deeper dive in. Because I know uh Kavita, we did this a while ago too. We talked about it, we deep dive, but I think it would be really good to do another episode with you, maybe about Shushant, maybe a deeper dive with you. I think that would be really fun to do. Always.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

I always talk about his case, always because when when that whole thing came out, like I don't think Munia knew you as well, but I I was like, I'm not watching Bollywood ever again. Look what they did to him. And I wasn't even that big of a Sushant fan, but then I did it, like I did my own little mini deep dive about him, and that they just made me mad. Like I unfollowed so many of them, and but I mean, of course, now I'm back, but but she's back now. Yeah, but it really, it really did upset me like when they did that. I was like, there like nobody like said anything, like nobody from the industry said anything. Like they didn't they didn't speak up for him. And I'm like, the guy is dead, and you guys are just not saying anything. It was weird.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

The whole thing was weird. Very little people spoke. I mean, the the our one of our favorite people, Kangana, spoke up a lot about it. She came out, she said a lot about the industry, and I feel like that's where that was her. I think that was her turning point of going like haywire on Bollywood and all everyone in Bollywood.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

I think she gave us a lot of really good information.

SPEAKER_04 41:20

I'll tell you, she did give us a lot of crazy, she didn't give a lot of information at the time until she went very rogue and now she's like all over the place. But um, but you're right because Susan's case, it came during at COVID, and I Kabita says she never saw they didn't see that many of his movies, but I've known him for Prabhupada Rishta. And I've I've She's known him. Oh, I okay, known him. I've known him. I've known him for Prabhupada Rishta. Okay. But I watched it, I watched that and I remember loving Manov's character. I remember loving that. So when he came into the industry, I was very happy, but then I kind of got sad because it looked like he was getting these roles that weren't like like what he was good for, right? Like he was doing like commercial films and things like that, and I was like expecting him to do a lot more better than those types of movies. So when he did pass away, it was sad. And like Kavita said, um, it was very sad that no one came up and spoke of it. And it just seemed shady. The whole thing seemed really shady, very shady.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

So it's interesting that you bring that up because hopefully by next week it's I post the video, but I actually just finished scripting a video on movies that Sushant got replaced in, not replaced in, but movies that went to Sushant first, but he could not get because he had and allegedly again he had the classic three movie contract deal with Yash Raj. Just like Asman Singh in Bads of Bollywood. But that's the thing, but that would that's like another video of whatever that we're gonna talk about. But like I said, and the thing is you don't know when these movies are gonna happen. So technically speaking, until you're done that contract, you're not allowed to do movies with other people. And I've read so much that Sanjay Leila Bonsali had offered um Sushan. Like I think he was going to do the Ram Leela movie that was offered to him, and then Bhaji Rao Mastani. So all the roles that were offered to Sushan, uh Ranvir ended up getting. And Ranveer also had a three contract movie deal with Yashraj, but for some reason he was able to break away from that, depending on why. And a lot of people say it's because you know, by the time Bhaji Rao came out, he was already with Dipika.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

And Dipika has a big but he also has family connections though. He's also part of the Kapoor, like somewhat related to Sonam Kapoor and a Kapoor. Sonam Kapur's Anal Kapoor. He has he has some type of backing. Sushan didn't have anyone, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:57

So he he got stripped away from a lot of good opportunities that would have really helped his career because Yes Chopra Yesh Raj films were like, No, you can't do this. So he lost a lot of opportunities, and then in the end, they did have a clash out between Yes Chopra and Sushan, I think something about movie dates or something, and they didn't even do like a third movie with him. He he only did like two movies with them or something like that after we visited the notes. But like opportunities, right? Sometimes you don't get the right opportunities, even if they're presented to you, and it just sucks. I mean, if he also had connections, he probably would have been able to be like, Hey, I'm gonna do this movie and then come back to you, and that would have really helped him as well.

SPEAKER_04 44:39

So that this like solidifies our thought process of behind who Ajait Alvar is and who Karishma is, and who you know, like who this outsider Asman thing is supposed to be portraying. So it kind of like solidifies that. So I'm excited to see your video that comes out about it next week. Yeah. So we're excited about that. Um, but the shiny story is very, very, very, very interesting. Um, and it just opens up so much more about Bollywood and and all these different types of scandals that they have going on.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Yeah, and so many that we don't even see. Probably they shut it down before it even reaches the media, right? I mean, so many people maybe have done worse, but because they have so much power, it never even made it out in front of us and has just had okay.

SPEAKER_05 45:36

So just to um close up Mr. Shiny Ahuja, um, where is he now? So there are there are some reports of him um being uh being in the garment business and living in the Philippines, possibly Manila, or he could be back in back in Bombay, but nobody really kind of knows where he is at this point. Clearly, he's not in the Bollywood industry anymore. Um, but you know, like I I I do kind of feel bad for him because I know that um I feel like he was very talented. But then like, you know, as as both of you were saying, like it was kind of his fault too, because the the girl was a minor. So what are you doing, dude? So, you know, like exactly, dude. And you're married. And you're married.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Like, come on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:17

So it's like, you know, two like strikes, and I guess, you know, I don't know. But anyway, I did, I did like him as an actor, though. I'll I'll I'll put that up. He was he was good.

SPEAKER_04 46:45

Thank you, Martin, for doing that deep dive with us. This was a lot of fun. Very fun.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Of course, I love it. I could talk about these things for and I know we went into a lot of tangents, but it just shows that so many things are connected, and this happens to my deep dives too. I'll start a case and then something will relate, and I'll bring that up in the video. And I'm like, we saw this also, remember when this happened? And then I'll be like, remember when I did a video on this, and then people are like, now I gotta go find that video and watch it, and you know, but that's that's another cool thing because I've already covered certain aspects, and then it comes up in another case, and it looks like a timeline, and then I can refer them back, like, hey, I spoke about this more in this video, go see it, and then go watch this one, and then give them the full story, so it's yeah, it's normal to go off.

SPEAKER_04 47:32

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 47:37

Okay, guys, it is uh blindy windy time. I've got two for you today. Um, ooh, this is the first one. Two star kid female star. Why do they write things so stupidly? Okay, two female star kids are super jealous of the meteoric rise of a newbie. One of the star kids was a front runner for two projects bankrolled by the top studio. She lost one to the newbie and another one to a talented outsider. The star kid's aunt, too, is miffed with the newbie. She wanted the newbie to star in another movie opposite her son, who was her debut co-star. She spoke her hero out of it and convinced him to branch out as a lone star. The aunt and star kid's mother have been bad mouthing the newbie in their circles. The newbie's mentor wants her to do as many movies as possible and build her own brand. Can you guess the stars? I'm sorry it was written so weirdly. But who are the two star kids? Who's the newbie female star? And who do you think uh the outsider chick is, and who do you think the boy debut star kid is?

SPEAKER_04 48:46

I mean, uh, Masta, do you want to take a guess?

SPEAKER_02 48:48

I don't know. For some reason, like Shania Kapoor comes to mind, but I don't know if that's that's Shania Kapoor.

SPEAKER_04 48:54

Oh my god, really? So she's one of the Shanaya Kapoor, right? And it's Anit Pada, it has to be Anit Pada and Ahan Pande. Has to be them.

SPEAKER_05 49:01

Anit Paday and Anit and uh Ahan Pandey, and the other star kid is uh Ananya Pande, which doesn't make any sense because that's her cousin. Why would she want to do a movie with her cousin? Ew.

SPEAKER_04 49:11

But I don't think that's what they're saying though. I think they're saying that um that there were movies, I think Shania was supposed to do the movie, but now that everyone's talking about Anit, no, instead of Anit Pada, not not Sayara, another movie. I think Yasraj has moved her onto a couple of new movies, and I think Shania lost it because of Anit getting it, and Anit, Yasraj is behind her, right? It's telling her not to do, not to be coupled up with Ahan, and she convinced Ahan that we shouldn't be like it shouldn't, we shouldn't be branded together, we should brand it separately and have our own identity. I think that's what it's saying, right? I think that's what it is. Who is the who is the other one that got a better with better act outsider, better actor? Okay, so somebody named Prat Pratibaranta?

SPEAKER_05 49:52

I don't know what that is. Pratibharanta? Yeah, I don't know what that is either. Okay. Anyway, well that's what that is. Yeah. That's your one weirdly written blind. Yeah. Um there's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

Shanaya makes sense though. Shanaya makes a big thing. Shanaya makes sense, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:06

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right, and your second blind. This producer has sued a popular comedy show which streams on a global platform for using a character from his movie. As per a source, it's an attempt to fleece some money and to create buzz around the sequel to a cult comedy movie. The producer is notorious for not paying the cast and crew of his previous movies. He has been facing financial issues for several years. Can you guess the producer and the comedy show and the global platform?

SPEAKER_04 50:37

So I think okay, the reason I know this because I just recently saw it. It has to be Netflix, it has to be cup of show and the babu rao um, yeah, exactly. I just recently saw it too, that's why. So wait, is it Priya Dershan who's trying to sue? Furrow's Nadia Dwala. Oh, ooh, look at Nadia Dwala are involved. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

But yes. All right, guys. Well, those are the blinds.

SPEAKER_03 51:05

I mean, they're weird blinds. Very weird. Find better ones. You gotta tell these people to write better ones.

unknown 51:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 51:17

Okay, so it is the vibe of the week.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

Muni, give me your vow. All right. I have been listening to this new song. Actually, my brother got me on it. It's called Balolagi, and it's by um Bengali song. And it's like a mix, though. I think the other mix is Telugu. Oh. So I'm excited for Kavita to hear this. The female singer is Saloni, and the male singer is Bilal Shahid. And Bilal Shahid has done so many like songs, so he's really good. Yeah, I think you'll like it when you hear it. I think it's Telagu. I could be wrong, but don't mind me. I'll listen and I'll let you know. Lovely.

SPEAKER_05 52:17

Okay, um, so my vibe of the week is taking it back to episode three of Bads of Bollywood. I love it. I love a I love that it just kind of just got brought back into our heads. And it just, I don't know. I'm happy for that song. I'm happy for Raghov. I'm happy for Emran Hashmi. So it's a great it's a great song.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:16

Yes, and Miss Superstar Scandalous Guest, Mason, what is your vow of the week?

SPEAKER_02 53:21

I mean, honestly, I'd be lying if I didn't mention this song, and I'm considering of making it my alarm, waking up because I I swear, because that's how I wake up anyway, but I have to say Ghafor, even while we're talking about the darkest stuff in my brain every five business minutes. Gafoo. So we need to put that, especially that scene where he like shoots the guy while he's singing it as well. And like it's just I don't know how my brother was like, Haradi, think about Haradi, think of this. Yeah, why did he do that? Yeah, it happened.

SPEAKER_05 53:54

Okay, so I'm gonna say this about this song. It's so bad that it's good. You know, like you know what I mean? Like, it's one of those songs that just sticks in your head, but you're like, but I don't like it, but now I like it, but I don't like it, but I like it. So, yeah, Masin, thank you so so much for joining us. Can you give us your handle so um you know you can have some people follow you and see your amazing videos and get addicted to you like we were?

SPEAKER_02 54:18

Yes, of course, it's very simple, guys. I don't have a crazy username, it's literally my first name and my last name, Masine Sahid. Search it up. You're gonna see my TikToks, you're going to see my Instagram. Again, don't take my long breaks personally. Sometimes there are no cases, sometimes I'm scripting. And I always say this in my video that if I'm not 51% convinced of an article or a claim, I don't use it. So it's a lot of is this true? Is this not true? It's worth a watch, and I can't wait to start posting again. And again, by the time this podcast comes out, I will be starting to post deep dives again. So thank you guys so much for inviting me and giving me this opening again. I just I'm coming back from a long, I think three, four months break. So it was the perfect way for me to re-enter my deep dive again. So I really appreciate that. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_05 55:12

And I I know you had a birthday last week, so happy birthday. And well, happy birthday. And um, I don't know about you, Muni, but I wanna I wanna take a look at her notebooks where she does all our scripting. There's like some good gossip in there.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Exactly. And then uh Masin saying that she hasn't done anything new, but there's enough content that can you can spend hours on her page, which I have spent hours just watching the different parts that you have on all of these K all of these scandals uh and deep dive. So, guys, you won't get bored. Uh follow Masin, check out her video, check out her videos on TikTok, on Instagram. Um, and like, share, follow us too for more content. And hopefully in the future we'll have Masin coming again for another different deep dive scandal. Bye, bye guy. He won that and then um wait, sorry, hold on.

SPEAKER_05 56:25

What uh what do you need?

SPEAKER_04 56:27

That was scary. He just jumped the video.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

No, but also the video is kind of lagging, so he came in slow motion, and I'm like, are you okay?

SPEAKER_05 56:37

In the song, so like I know what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

Can you guess what I'm gonna say?

SPEAKER_04 56:43

Is it gonna be something from but uh b bads? Is it gonna be the food? Good, actually good.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Yeah, that's perfectly. Even while we were talking about like your killings and murder, my brain went go fool like five times.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

And I was like, It's like it's an earworm, right? It doesn't go from your head. That's like no I literally, I literally watched something this morning, and it was like, ladies, like