SPEAKER_03 0:03

Well, hello, hello, hello, everyone. Um, we have a special episode today. Um, Gavi not joining me, but we do have another guest host, and you guys do remember her from last time. So welcome, Masin. Hi again. It's great to be back.

SPEAKER_02 0:22

I'm so excited to be doing today's episode. Of course, we wish Gavi was here, but really excited to be back. So thank you so much for inviting me back, Moni.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

Yes, love it, love it. Yeah, Gavi, can she be back next week? Um, and this week she uh is not here. So, what did you do this weekend?

SPEAKER_02 0:39

So, this weekend, I mean, as you know, it's Canada, so we have awful brutal winters going on over here.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

And same here.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

And this winter has been more brutal than the past few winters, so I am fully hibernating, which is sad because I'm not going anywhere, but it's great because it gives me the opportunity to watch more content, watch more movies, and learn from them. This weekend, we went back and watched a classic to kind of de-traumatize ourselves from the movies that are coming out right now. We watched uh Torah Biar Torah Magic, which is like a like a feel-good kitty movie from Yeshuraj Films. It's with Seth and Rani Mukherjee, and uh she gets like sent down from heaven and she's like an angel, and she's supposed to bring love in Seth's life again. So we watched it, felt good. Uh the songs were good, so we were reminiscing how good the movies were.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Yeah, I don't think I watched that one, but I know it's like a Mary Poppin style because she's like a nanny or something like that, right? That's how she comes in. Okay. It's also been very cold by us too, super, super cold. Um, we had like zero degrees temperature this past weekend, um, and we have snow like two weeks ago and it's still on the ground. So I know you guys in Canada are used to this stuff, but like for us, for the snow to be this long, it's like, wait, what? When are you going away? Um, I did not watch anything DSC um in the last week or anything. I am catching up on the show Bridgerton. So I am watching that. That's been on my radar this whole week. I've been watching this. But um, I know Durunder just came out on Netflix, and I know a lot of people have watched it. I got a lot of feedback from friends and family who've like messaged me, like, oh, Durunder looks Durander's actually really good. And I watched it in like small segments and small, you know, uh parts of it because I couldn't finish the whole thing. But uh it's still getting Duranda's still running high on everyone's radar for a movie to watch.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

So I watched Durunder as well, and I told my friend that I watched it, and a lot of them who went to the theaters to watch it actually let me know that Netflix cut out a lot of scenes, uh, a lot of vulgarity, I guess for censorship reasons, but they cut out a solid 15 minutes from the movie. They were like, Yeah, this is not the movie we saw. And some other person said that they completely distorted the lighting of the movie uh with the filtering and stuff. The lighting in Netflix is a bit more gray and deadly, whereas in theaters it was a bit more vivid, and they were telling me that you got it, but those 10-15 minutes they cut out really packed a punch in theater, and it would have made a difference if you saw it on Netflix. I don't think they're playing it in theaters anymore. So now I regret not watching it because I won't know.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

I did okay, I I did hear that. I did hear that they said Netflix didn't uh cut some stuff. I haven't watched it. I watched it in theaters, so I saw the whole thing in three theaters. Um, but um I haven't watched it on Netflix, so I need to watch it to see what they actually cut out because I felt like the way they did it, I mean, it worked for what what they're trying to show, but maybe something different on Netflix. So I need to watch it on Netflix to see like what they changed around. Because yeah, obviously, censorship, obviously, they're gonna make sure like people aren't offended and things are not like you know offending people in certain ways. So I wonder, I wonder what they cut off. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it again on Netflix just. And part two's coming out like in March. So yeah, part two is coming out. Part two has an Eid release, so that's interesting. So we'll see. Yeah, I yeah, you should absolutely watch it in theaters. I I'm definitely gonna watch it in theaters too. So this week on the trending topics that's been on my um feed the whole time, and I feel like Masen, you can give me updates on this too, is that Grant Massey is out of Ramayana and it's gonna be Raghav Juwal, who's going to be in it now taking his place, which I think is great for Raghav because I think we all love him and like are very excited for like all the new um roles that he's getting. So this will be kind of interesting. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 4:48

No, I definitely think that this is a really good opportunity for him. But for me, when it comes to Raghav, I've always believed this since I've seen him grow up, that he he himself is such a powerhouse, like talented package as a whole that I feel like whoever casts him, they're lucky that he he himself is saying yes to you. That's a good point. And I really like, I really like that for him. I'm I'm not sure why what happened with Rick Ranther and why he got out of the movie, but I'm I saw that a new movie of him is releasing on Netflix, and I'm excited to see that. Yes. In the middle he did say, uh, listen, I'm taking a break.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Well, I think with end of last year, beginning of last year, somewhere he was like, Oh, he's not gonna do it, do movies anymore. And I think it was after the movie with um yeah, I think so. I feel like it was right after that. So I don't know. I feel like maybe she was the reason he's like, I'm not doing it anymore. So who knows?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

I hope not. But that movie was a major flop. Like it they had a 50 crore budget and they only made two crores. Can you imagine that? Oh my god, losing 48 crores on a movie. I mean, we've seen worse.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

I think that's the movie Shania launched with, which yeah, that was our it is it's who Shania launched with, and they were so upset that they didn't do a good job, but like I'm sorry, I don't think it's Vigrant's fault the movie was bad. I think the movie was just bad. Like, I don't I don't know what to say to you.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Yeah, I think so. I think, yeah, it's the production house, the screenwriters, the people you were casting with whom you were casting. I I all I talked about this in one of my videos as well. How people think that if we get a good actor and then we bring in a Nepo baby who's not as good, they're gonna the good actor has all the pressure to blur out the Nepo babies or the person who cannot add their shoulder.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

To keep it going. Yeah, exactly. And that's unfair to the you know, the lead, like the the better actor because like why should it just fall on their shoulders? Like everyone else needs to do their part. It never works, but yeah. We'll see what happens. It never works, yeah, exactly. But speaking of Ikramasi doing the OTT, you're right. Netflix is coming out with a whole bunch of lineup for 2026. Um, and I'm kind of excited about it. There's a movie called Ma Behen, that's with Madhuri. And um, yes, it looks good, right? It actually looks really good. I'm very interested in that one. There's another movie called Um Ikka that's coming out with Sunny Bell. Dia Mirza. Yeah, Dia Mirza is in it, and it looks really good. And actually kinda looks like the character from The Runner, actually, because like his hair and everything, his facial expressions, and there's another movie called Um that uh called Family Business that's Anil Kapoor's in it. Um, and that also looks really good to me, too. So, like there's a bunch of movies that are coming out that looks really good. So I'm kind of excited with the OTT releases that's gonna be in 2026 for um Netflix. Yeah. But did you see that Netflix also had this new show called DC Bling? Did you see that?

SPEAKER_02 7:57

I saw the preview and I I woke up, I saw it, and I said nope. And I like Netflix, not today. But this is what I do nowadays. Ever since like, I don't know, 2019 with all these movie launches coming out, with I I just look at the plot or I look at the title, I look at the poster, and I'm like, nope. You know, I saw De De Pierde 2 when it came out on Netflix, and I I was like, I was not gonna be in it. So I don't want to see it, but then Madvan was in it. So I said, you know what, yeah, I'll watch it. Do you know? Middle of the movie, I got so pissed off, I left to go wash the dishes. Oh wow. It's like my mom, I told my mom, I will wash the dishes. You will watch the movie. I rather do my god than watch this. Oh wow. It pissed me off so much.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

I mean, yeah, so now I watched I watched Day the Paradid too, so I had a different feeling. I thought it was a I thought it was just a stupid watch to sit there while I do other things. So it's like a background watch for me. That's exactly what I was doing. I think I had it as a background watch. But just going back to Thisy Bling, um, so This E Bling is like featuring, it's like a reality show, it's featuring all these different people. The only couple that I actually know from there is um Karan Kundra. He used to do a lot of like TV dramas. So I'm not sure if you know that guy. I I mean, I don't think I'll watch it. I hate reality shows, but this is gonna be interesting to like see who actually watches this. I think it's like a ripoff of Dubai Blink, Stacey Bling. I don't know. I don't know why they come up with all these weird reality shows, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

I feel like when it comes to like Indian reality shows, we already have Big Boss. And one reality show is enough. And I've never watched Big Boss, it's a big flex for me, but I've heard some crazy things happening on that show.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

I like I like that flex because I have not also watched Big Boss ever. I see it. I'm like, what is this show? What does this mean? But so many people have come out of Big Boss and become like have gotten movie contracts and commercials and things like that. So I guess it's helpful for them. They get like more highlights and I get like more um presence, stage presence, so they can make it into like big name other movies and things like that. So I feel like a bunch of people have gotten off because of because of um Big Boss.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

No, I think that's a part of the reason why they go into it. I think that's how producers pitch. I mean, allegedly. But from what I think and the patterns I saw, why would I wanna come to a house with a bunch of celebrities where there's drama, where I could practically lose my mind and ruin my image, and you can edit me however you want, good, bad, whatever. And why am I okay with this? And then the pitch is, yeah, but think about how much um opportunities you're gonna get after this. Think about all the popularity and the publicity and the commercials and the people who really want to make it and think that this is an easier way than what I'm facing right now. They go on it, and some people look at this and say, I don't want this at all. So I think that's just a price that you pay for all the opportunities.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

I think that's exactly what they're doing. So anyway, this blink, if you guys are into it, watch it. Um and just going back to like where you're talking about like bad plots. Did you see that Mehuna 2 is coming out? Like, did you see that?

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Yes, I you shared the part with me. I don't want to talk about Farrakhan. Um I have a special place in my heart for her.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

You're like, we're gonna stay away from Farrakhan. It's just so is such a weird concept. Like, I saw it and I was like, I don't, I don't even know what to think. Like, if this is a story after all these years you're coming back and this is the story you're gonna do, I don't know how I feel about it. Honestly.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

If it's confirmed, or maybe it's just one of the plots. Like, I don't think it's confirmed. I genuinely, if this is the plot they're planning, which you said that how Shah Rhan Major Ram has like an evil twin. I already told you, listen, when I read that, I said there's a loophole here because in the first movie we see the Shah Ran's mom leaving his father a letter saying, I'm leaving my son with you because I'm sick. Nowhere in the letter did the mom say there's another kid somewhere, by the way. We had twins. I don't know where he is. I just decided to keep this one because I don't know. I liked him better from day one. I just I just picked one.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

I just didn't mean any more and picked the one.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Does it make sense?

SPEAKER_03 12:29

You're right. It's a it's such a bolly, it's a Bollywood movie. So I guess like all that logic kind of goes out the window. But like that, you're right. Like that would be so dumb if they do use that storyline. You're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

That's so I think what it is is allegedly, because again, I'm not in their creative room. I think they're just like, what has worked for us in like theme-wise in movies? And then someone probably probably said, in Om Shantiom, we did reincarnation, and that was a hit. So we can't reincarnate Sharukan and Mehuna. No one's gonna watch that. We could give them an evil twin brother. You know, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Bring in another villain, we should be in, you know, or something else, do something else, come up with something else. Like this storyline to me doesn't look good, but you're right. We should be in that room for the creative process. Be like, hey guys, you guys need some fresh ideas. Let's sit together and come up with some ideas, but that's not working. But apparently, the whole main cast is gonna be in there. Zayat Khan, who I think completely is an awful actor, should not be in it, but he's gonna be in it. But we'll see. This is all developing news, the story might change. It's probably just making up stories just to like get people to like be excited about Mehuna. Mehuna is one of those movies that I do love watching just because it's silly and it's just like a feel-good movie for me to watch. Like I enjoy watching that movie.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

But also, have you noticed that they're making Kabikushi Kabigum 2? They're making Mehuna 2. I heard they're making Hamtum 2. They've already made Bantu or Bubbly 2, and that traumatized me as a whole. I said. Oh my god, that traumatized me too. But you know, they're banking on these old nostalgic movies because I feel like as a whole, nothing is working. So people are thinking if we make, if we bring back the nostalgia, even if it sucks, peep we're gonna bring in money because people are gonna go watch it just to complain, even if it's to roast us, because income, flowing income. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 14:20

You're right. It I think I think it's it's like the remake of like songs, 90s song where they keep remaking stuff, like trying to give us, like, trying to make hits based off of that. I think they're trying to do the same thing here. Or like, oh, we'll do a part two. Okay, do a part two. I don't care. Do a part two, but do a good part two. Don't do crap. Like, don't give us like crappy movies just like, oh, I'm just gonna use a nostalgia of the 90s and I'm gonna make people come to theaters because of that. Like, don't do that. Do good, do better. Like, come on, we could do that. We have creative processes, you have all these talents there. Like, try to do stuff like that. Go back and see why did the 90s work so well? Why did these things work so well? Find that formula and just redo it that way, but don't try to remake movies that's already made, you know? Like, come on, come with some originality right now. Let's get to it, guys. Bollywood, we need some like good rom-com movies. Come on, you can do it. Remember, let's work a little bit harder.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

The last good rom-com movie. People say it's Rocky Orani, and the only reason I believe that Rocky Orani did as well as it did is because we have a pool of movies that suck, and that was like a movie that did not suck. So everybody was like, this is iconic. But I've grown up watching up watching Dilto Pagilhe and Kabi Kushi Kabi Ram and all these and DDLJ, you know? Yeah, it's good, but it wasn't, oh my god, good. It's just everything else is see.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

I I personally did really like Rocky Irani, and we did a breakdown of Rocky Irani with one of our friends, and I absolutely did feel like it was a it was a really good uh rom-com, but I see what you're saying where where we were such a string of bad, bad movies, and all of a sudden Rocky Irani came out. So maybe for others, it was it was doing it was so good because there's so much bad that it was like, oh my god, we finally got something really good with like good actors, good story, like a good bunch of people in it. So and great music too. So it could be that. That that's a really good that's a really good point that you made. I didn't even think about that way. That it was like a string of such bad movies, and all of a sudden Rocky and Ronnie comes out, and you're just like, oh wow, this is amazing, and things like that. So, I mean, do you know anything anything that's trending right now that's happening in in the industry?

SPEAKER_02 16:27

So actually, I just did a video on it. I released part one on Instagram before doing this, and then released the rest. But allegedly, a bunch of Nepo kits that Karanjohar launched in the first place are now soft launching their exit from Dharma Productions.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

I think I heard this. That's insane to me. Like Jandikapoor, which again, all allegedly, but news of her leaving Dharma Productions management and going into this other management. It's called Collective Artists Network. And they manage like Deepika, Renveer, Rajkumarau, Nora Fatehi, Rashmika. She's moving there and leaving Karan while his company is not doing as well. I mean, he's already sold 50% of Dharma in 2024. And after that, the movies that he's been producing have bring brought in more lost than hits. I mean, I that's that I said in the video, Kill and Rock Your Rani, which came out in 2023, among all the other stuff he's produced, are the two hits that I could remember. And apart from that, I've heard that Ali Abhat, again, allegedly, uh, is also thinking about kind of leaving Dharma productions and going into producing again, but not with Dharma because she co-produced Jigra with Dharma, and Jigra tanked at the box office, right? So I could see, I can't I mean I could see the things they were doing. I mean, they thought, okay, it's an Alia movie. It's definitely gonna be a hit. It's an Alia movie, but it didn't do well. Then we saw him. I mean, the movie with Anandia and Karte, Metera, Tu Meri Metera, what was that? Well, right? Oh my god. I even the trailer was so bad.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Like, why? Why did you guys do that?

SPEAKER_02 18:15

We talked about rom-coms, and yes, this is why Rocky Arani did so well because this is also a rom com and there's a big difference between these two, right? Rocky Arani is like KTG, DDLJ in 2023, you know, like mixed together. Yeah. What is that? But do you notice that he's been trying to, again, like I said with Vikrant Masi, he's been trying to pair an outsider like Kartik or Rajkumar Rao with an epo baby like Ananya and Jan V, Mr. and Mrs. Mahi. We saw this too. They think, yeah, oh, this person acts and they're good. So their acting is gonna be so strong, it could blur out some of the flaws here and there that they cannot do. But they're gonna watch it because it's not awful. This person can act and they are loved by the audience. They're gonna come to support them. Yeah, but we don't care about that. I will watch a person who just made its debut. If the plot is good, if the acting is good, I will watch it, you know. So even those movies did not work. The inside, outside pairing did not work, selling the production and then still bringing losses did not work. And end of the day, it's all about success and moving forward. And if they're not getting that from your production, they're gonna move on somewhere else. Now, why are is the production failing? Because he's backing these actors and actresses for years when we've criticized them for their acting, not because we have anything against you. I'm sure you're an awesome human being, maybe, but I'm paying to watch you on screen. Maybe I'm paying to watch you on screen. I don't like what I'm seeing. And we kept telling you this. And what did you do? You kept giving them movies, the movies kept flopping. Yep, you're bringing losses in your production, and then the people you gave work to are like, this is not working, and they're leaving. And another thing I will say is leaving management is not going to miraculously change something. That's like me.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Yes. See, that's that's what I was gonna go at. Like leaving Dharma. What John B, do you actually think if you leave Dharma, you're gonna get better opportunities? Like, I don't I don't know what the dynamics is, I don't know what's happening, right? But like John B, every you have done so many movies in the year of 2026, sorry, 2025. Which one of those have even been a hit? Like which ones of your movies have been actual hits? Yes, um, everything has been a flop. Um, maybe one was passable with Dulce Kumar. Maybe that one was a little passable. Like, I actually enjoyed watching that one, but like nothing else of your movies have been good. So, like, what do you why do you think you're gonna leave Dharma and you're gonna do really good? Because Dharma put you in everyone's face. That's probably even why you got these chances. Like, in the movie Homebound, why are you even in that movie? It's because of Dharma production, right? That's why you were in it. Because there's no point of that girl to be in that movie. Like, honestly, no idea why you're in it. You had no acting lines. You had like three scenes, and maybe that was like a five minutes that have an entire movie. So, like, if you think leaving Dharma is gonna help you, I don't know. I think I really think you should you should really look at your acting skills and figure out maybe you should go back and do a little bit more classes and like develop your skills before you try to leave to a new venture and think that's gonna actually help you out. Um, but I did hear about Ali. I did hear about John V, but I didn't hear about Ananya. And I think Ananya might be the one that might still stick around.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Because her movie's coming out with Laksha, May 2026, Chand Mira Dil. We don't know what's going to happen after that. But like I said, changing management is not gonna miracle. Help you. The problem isn't management team. The problem is the skills that you need to work on. And listen to what the audience is telling you. Listen to what the audience is telling you. That's gonna make a difference. And yes, okay, Sunny Sansskari Kitu Sikumari. The title titles of this man's movie nowadays is longer than the movie.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

He loves those long movies. He loves those long movies. I think I feel like he thinks like those are like good luck. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I think he just thinks that. But I thought it was an entertaining movie. Out of all the movies of her, I found that one entertaining for me. Like again, it's not, I'm not gonna say the fantastic movie. It was great, but it was entertaining to like put it in the background and watch it.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

So kind of like Yeah, I mean, we have two couples in the movie, like uh, and they were good. Varundawan did what he had to do. I think Karan Joher was trying to replicate like Hamti Sharma ki dulhaniya, Badrina Adki Dulhaniya from back in the day. It was a Dulanaya. I call it Dulhaniya Furies. Well, you know, Dulhaniya was Barun and Alia and it was a decade ago. We're not there anymore. But I always say this that there's a difference between a collective hit, a collective hit, and an individual hit. Like, for example, Gangu Baikati Yawadi, okay? That was a hit. That yes, the the crew, the supporting crew did an amazing job, but Alia was a one-woman character in that movie, and she made it a hit. That's an individual hit, right? Collective hit is the movie is a hit and brought in money, but it's not for you. It's as a whole, you know, because Varun was in it, because Sanya Manotra was in it, um, Rohit Sarav and Jan B. I don't see her in the movie when I think about that movie. I actually think about Rohit because he is an outsider, outsider. Sanya too. It wasn't an individual hit. So, yes, changing management definitely is not going to help you. In fact, you're going to realize how hard it is to actually get work without a godfather handing them to you.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

Yeah, I think so. I feel like she might think that, you know, I her I already have my name. I have all this stuff happening, and you have your dad. Honestly, she has her dad's backing too, right? Why is she the only one of the Nepal babies getting so many? Because she also has her dad's backing. Bonnie Kapoor is backing her, you know, her career. So I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what happens with that. You know, we talked about a lot of trending topics, and this this episode is gonna be heavy on that type of stuff. So one thing that's trending heavily for the last like week or two weeks is the Ori drama, right? So I know you did a deep dive on it, and I really wanted to get into the Ori drama, um, the Sarah Ibrahim Balak. So if you guys haven't heard, if you guys haven't heard and haven't seen this, there's this whole beef going on with Sarah, uh, Ibrahim, uh, Balak, uh, Amrita, and Ori. And I think I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago about how Ori came out and said, oh, um, you know, the names that he hates that are the worst Indian names, and he named Amrita, Sarah, and Balak. And that's where the controversy, like officially, officially, I feel like people start seeing it because Sarah Ibrahim all like unfollowed him. So that's where I feel like the it started from. So I know you did a deep dive on it. So like, why don't we just jump into it and figure out like uh give us background on like what or what who Ori is and like how all this stuff is.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

I don't have my history with Ori videos since 2023 or is it 2024? At this point, I've been doing this for so long time as a blur. But my first video on Ori was like who the hell is he? And I was just saying, like, you know, who is he? He takes pictures with all these celebrities and people, and I came into conclusion, and allegedly is that he supplies goods to these the people in the industry, and he has these connections, and he's like a businessman or whatever, right? But it's supply and demand, supply and demand, okay. But then last but then I also did a video about the Palak thing. So I know he said Palak in one of those worst Indian names, but I covered a deep dive not this year, but years back, where I talked about how Palak was apologizing to Ori. We don't know about what. He took that screenshot and he posted it on his Instagram story. I remember this.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

I remember it was like last year or like a year before, something like that. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

And he thought that people would bash Palak, but nowadays, like we said, we just we see bullying and we see somebody who's not a Nepo kid, we're gonna be like, why are you bashing someone? Like, go sort it out yourself. And I said, I argued that I think this is happening because Palak is not a part of a popular Nepo clique. Yes, her mother is from the TV industry and she's amazing, but she's not Sarah and Ya Janvi. And my argument was that even if you make it in the industry, you still have rankings. You have rankings, and how high you are depends on how you're getting treated. And I said, Do you really think that Cory would uh post stuff about Sarah, John V and Ya if they were fighting tomorrow? I don't think so because they have a lot of power. But this year he proved me wrong because no, he doesn't care who has power, who doesn't, but he will roast them.

SPEAKER_03 27:20

I think I think right, yeah, I think right now though, Abraham and Sarah are kind of not a powerhouse anymore, I would feel like, because right, you don't see a lot of Abraham was like debut flopped, and then his second movie flopped awfully, and people have been making fun of him, and we covered this a couple of times too in like blind items and like other stories that he's kind of been sad about, like because of his debut being so bad and people making fun of him, and then Sarah has not had any movies. Like, I don't even know what her last movie was. I think one like on OTT, maybe it was Murder Mubar or something like that, right? I think maybe that was her last movie. No, no, I keep forgetting. The movie with um her ex-boyfriend. Um I even forgot the name was Air Force. It was called Air Force. That was her last movie that she did, but that wasn't even good. And she was like a side character to like an actor who just was launching. Like it was, I don't know. I don't know what's happening with Sarah. So I feel like Ori now feels like more empowered because like he's more in the limelight than they are, and like his friends are the big honchos, like the you know, the big nepo kids in the industry. So maybe that's why he like let me let I don't care. I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about these.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

It could be, but then I was also thinking that where does she come from? I'm like, Sef Ali Khan could intervene any minute. I haven't seen him intervene. So it makes me question where is he? Your kids are getting bullied left, right, center. You're Sef Ali Khan. Where are you? But let that happen. Maybe he wants his kids to handle this themselves. But after my deep dives, because not everything had come out by then, more information came out after I published my deep dive. So the theory is now, from what I've read, okay, is the whole thing started because Ibrahim uh Ibrahim is apparently by, which is none of our business what your orientation is. But apparently Ori and Ibrahim were hooking up. Okay, they were hooking up, and like I said, I don't know because I wasn't there, but apparently Amrita, Ibrahim and Sarah's mom, found out and she was like, oh, what the hell? And threw a fit on it, and then Ibrahim started distancing himself and said, Hey, like maybe I don't want to do this. And then Ori thought that was petty and sought that, oh, your your mom's not supporting it, or something like that. And that's why he started bashing them online. And there was also, I mean, I read this online after my deep dive that apparently Ori had been blackmailing Ibrahim as well because he has like evidence of him. Wow, like doing these things or whatever, which for me is just puts another perspective on Bollyweird as a whole. If you like someone and you're hooking up with them, why do you feel the need to have evidence of that? Like you're already going into this relationship thinking, oh, this could backfire on me. Let me just film it real quick for insurance. Like this is how it works now. How many times has this happened then?

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Well, I think we already know like his reason of being in the industry with all these kids, right? Like we know that it's not, it's nothing to be like actual friends or actual relationship. It's really like we're saying supply and demand type of thing, like what they're needing for him for. So I guess he needs to keep collateral, like he needs to keep something that you know gets people to stay with them. So it's like it's like saving himself. So if when he needs stuff, he can like get go back to them. Like they don't like just dispose of him, like, oh, you give it, you gave us this for a little bit, now we have someone else. I think maybe based off of that, he kept like him kept insurance for himself. But it's interesting that you said that because I did read something like that about Ibrahim, but I was like, I don't, I don't know, because you don't hear it much. And industry is industry, but maybe it is true. Maybe he was, maybe that was his boyfriend, or like whatever it was. Maybe we're just hooking up. Um, and um Amrita was like, no, you're not doing this, like you, you're whatever we because culturally that's still like a thing, right? And in in our culture, like that's not it's not fully accepted. People being, you know, bi or gay or anything like that, it's not fully accepted. So it could be that she said, No, you're you can't be friends with him. Like, no, you're gonna stop that. And um, or or it could be that she realized that he was supplying them with like stuff that, and again, these are all alleged guys, nothing is we don't know anything by true or any facts, but these are all like on Reddit, you can read about it. But maybe he was supplying him stuff and she realized, okay, you're not a good influence for my son, and I don't want you around him to be that, right? And I think as a mother's perspective, any mom would do that. Like, if someone thought, like, I don't have children, but like if I felt like someone was a bad influence on my child, I would be like, Okay, this person, you cannot be with them. Like, you can't, like, you gotta distance yourself. Now, what the reason is, I don't know what the reason is behind it, but like if I felt like something, if somehow they're influencing him in a bad way, I would, I would probably step into it. But Orri's trying to say, because of that, Armita gave him trauma, right? Like that that's what he's trying to say. Like, that's trauma for him. But why are you coming out coming after them after years? Like it's like years ago. And you were still friends with Sara and stuff like that, too. So it's really interesting how this whole narrative has like become now. And I agree with you. I feel like like like he's kind of a bully online, like he makes fun of people all the time. He was so yeah, if you remember, he was making fun of a singer like like during like I feel like in the fall of last year, Falguni Patak. He was making fun of her um straight up. So, you know what I mean? Like, he's like a bully on line.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

First of all, Falguni Patak is my childhood. Her songs are gold, such so talented, there's so much sweetness in her voice. I don't know what he was uh going through to do that, but yeah, you know, it's not even about that. I also think that the whole um bashing them is happening now because we don't know when it ended. We don't know when they stopped backing up. We don't know. It could have been two months ago, you know. Maybe Amrita and him had a confrontation, and Amrita's like, he cannot do this, we're not doing this. And when Sara he saw that Sarah is not backing him up either, he was like, you know what? And he's acting like an obsessed, petty, like ex kind of, if you think about it. Like, if I can't have you, I'm gonna bash you and your whole family. But you know what? We don't know how true this theory is, but it definitely goes back to the whole Palak thing. Because there are rumors that Ibrahim and Palak are dating. So if she's the person in the media that gets photographed with him, you're on the side like a secret of his, and now yeah, like a dirty secret kind of, and he's like upset now.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

You're right, like a scorned lover. Like a score blubber.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

So now you're not getting access to Ibrahim the way you were. Sarah's not backing it up, the mom is causing you trauma, and the trauma could be maybe seeing get away from him. No, you know, trauma is what you separated me from the guy I like. You know what I mean? After we've been hooking up. Yeah. So it kind of falls back that why would he just pick Bullock and post that screenshot? Maybe because it's always been a personal vendetta that you have him too, and you get to have him, and then I'm here whenever he needs. I don't know, if that is happening. And I hate I have that. I could see, I could see that. But also about the whole gay and bi thing, it is a cultural thing, and you know, it's uh a taboo still and a stigma still to talk about. But I watched this podcast called Very from a channel called Very Interesting, and I think you've I've talked about this senior journalist from Zoom back in the day, Simi Chandok. She I've I've talked about her many times, and they covered this gay bisexual uh, you know, topic. And Simi said, well, yes, of course, especially in a place like Bollywood, if an actor comes out as as gay or bi. Can you imagine what's gonna happen to his career? Your entire movie role is you romancing with a girl, is you dancing with a girl up in the mountain, doing lovey w things with them. You're this built guy with this hot girl, but in the back of our minds, we're like, oh yeah, but you're gay. So we would never be able to emotionally connect Bollywood, like for those love you've scenes, because she, her point was that Bollywood is not like Hollywood. We have these songs and we have the glam and the glitz and the romance. Romance is one of the biggest genres that they have to sell to us. Yeah. So if the news Yeah, I mean, yeah, Rob Collins. So if the news of them being gay comes out in Hollywood, we don't really care. But Bollywood people are gonna have a hard time kind of connecting to the characters, I guess. So that was her point.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

For me, I I mean, I could for me, I don't, I personally feel like in Hollywood, if they can do it, I feel like Bollywood can pull it out too. I think it's just a mentality of it. I think they haven't, I mean, they're moving closer to it, but I still don't think they've gotten there, right? Like Karen Jorr hasn't openly come out and said anything. And the speculation is that he is. Manish Malotra hasn't openly come out and said anything either. And the speculation is he is too, right? There's a bunch of actors that, you know, they have never come out and said it when they are, you know, they have the power, they have the, you know, they have the ranking in society in there to be able to come out and be like, oh, hey, actually I am. You know what I mean? So if they haven't come out and done it, I don't think people, I don't think people are ready for it, right? So like, but there are like so many actors in Bollywood, and sorry, in Hollywood that are, and we watched their movies and they're in rom-coms and things like that. I just talked about Bridgeton, you know, like um, yeah, I talk and the one of those uh characters in it is actually is actually gay, and he does a great job portraying the romance and people love watching it. So I don't know, I feel like it's the mindset of Bollywood that needs to probably change in that sense, or um, and and to be able to be accepting of that stuff. But you know, honestly, if I feel like they're moving forward, but they're still kind of backwards because even like the women empowerment stuff is still like backwards. The Me Too movement was there just a couple of years ago, and I still feel like people women still get harassed, or like even like with like we're going into a tangent, but like even Dippika trying to ask for like more hours, that's still like looked down upon. Like, why are you asking for more hours? So I don't know. I feel like Bollywood still has a long way to come ahead. So maybe we don't know. We'll see. We'll see what happens with that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Yeah, yeah. I mean, even with the Me Too movement, people big names came up, like Nana Patikar and Farah Khan's brother, Sajit Khan. But what happened? They got a slap on the wrist, a few tweets here and there, and then what? They're still directing movies, they're still in movies, people don't talk about it anymore. Those victims, we don't even know what happened to them. They're off somewhere. I don't see them on screen anymore. So Yep.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Yeah, Shakti Kapoor, Shakti Kapoor got that whole video on him. And like, yep, yep, exactly, exactly. Um, so yeah, I mean that seems like a really we'll see how the Ori and Zara stuff unfolds and stuff like that. We'll see what happens. But thanks for the deep dive. And you said part one was already out, part two is coming out, you're doing a part two on this deep dive.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

I I want to revisit this, but this is why I take long with my deep dives because I don't jump into a topic when it comes out, I wait till it ends because then I can cover everything. Because I posted that deep dive and then this came out, and I'm like, I could have talked about that and I could have connected it back to Palak and why he pinpointed her a year ago, you know. So I'm gonna wait till we come up with this with the resolve it somehow, and then I will do a part, a part two definitely. Uh, but yeah, so that's that's insane seeing a friendship fall out like that on the internet. I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, you know, I never even expected that. At first, I thought it was a publicity stunt. I'm like, okay, Sara's not doing movies. Yes, yes, she wants to get movies. We're doing this, I guess, but no, I don't think we're doing this.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

So yeah. Oh man. Okay. All right. Well, thanks for the deep dive on this Ori thing. Because I was like something big that I want to talk to, I want to like figure out. I really want to get into it and some of the stuff that I was seeing. So thanks for the deep dive. I think it's really like we're gonna see what's gonna happen next. We'll see what comes up. We'll keep everyone posted on it. All right, so I know we did the Ori thing. We did a lot of trending topics. I do want to play a quick game with you and let's see. Like, give me like a I'm gonna give you a couple of prompts and you're gonna give me one word as quick as possible. So we're gonna have to be really fast about it. All right. So I'm gonna give you a couple of things, and you're just gonna give me what one word that like relates to you. Ori, Ori's role in Bollywood circles. Supplier. Supplier of the what? I don't know, but supplier. All right, all right. Nepo kids and accountability.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

None.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Party insiders who become famous. Party insiders that become famous, who become famous. Ori. Celeb parents stepping in quietly.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

You know who's not stepping in? Sef Ali Khan while his daughter is being dragged through the market.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

Right, dude. He needs to, exactly. He needs to. He need we gotta do a deep dive on his family relationship with his family. Because it doesn't seem like it's around there. Uh vague Instagram stories, who does that? Sara Suttaria.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Because when her ex uh married her best friend, she posted like a Sabrina Carpenter song. Which and I was like, I know, I see what you're doing. Yeah, I see what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Yep, exactly. Cancel culture cancel culture in Bollywood.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

If you're an outsider. If you're an Epo baby, even though we try to cancel you, it's not gonna happen. They're gonna pop in somehow, somewhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

So true. Um, drama queens.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Who isn't a drama queen?

SPEAKER_03 40:59

Yep, exactly. Thanks for playing the game. Alright, guys, it's time for blind items. This female superstar had threatened to never work with the studio again if they opt for an OTT release of her spy flick. But the studio has gone ahead with their OTT release plans anyway. As per source, the studio and the heroine were confident about their movie earlier, but a big budget sequel flick starring two superstars flopped. The blockbuster success of another patriotic spy thriller, which painted their neighbor as an evil terror propaganda, rivals a wake-up call for the studio. They were trolled for the bikini scenes and storylines, which involved closely working with agents of enemy country. Alright, I kind of know where this is. Their attempts to humanize a rival agent was called out. The female superstars Flick has them and even has smooch scenes between Agent of the Two Rival Nations. The studio wanted to remove them, but the star did not agree. She wanted a A-list, A plus superstar cameo, but the studio and the male superstar were not convinced. The female superstar badly wanted her movie to be a bigger hit than her arch rival's horror comedy blockbuster. An OTT release has ruined her plans. Alright, so it's not Kiara. No, okay, so I think think about so I think it's Alia but for I think because her Alpha movie was supposed to come out in December, then it got pushed back to March. So I think now they're gonna release Alpha as an OTT release. And because Rithic's movie, um War II did so bad that they're just like, what the hell? And then Durandra came out of nowhere, and also a spy flake between, you know, Pakistan and India and did so well. I think your YRF is like now stepping back, like, oh, you know, what probably rethinking the whole thing, and they probably just want to do an OTT release. And Alia is probably really upset about that. And I can see why she'd be upset about it.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Why I said Kiara is because that I mean, I did a video on this not like last week. War 2 did so bad, yeah, so bad. And she was also trolled for her bikini scenes. Everybody was like, Why do we need to see this? We don't wanna, we don't care. Why do we need to see this troll? She looked good. I'm not sure. She looks amazing.

SPEAKER_03 43:20

She amazing.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

It's so every single spy movie you guys use these actresses as eye candy. Like, even though Deepika looked really hot in Patan, we were like, drilled. We've seen Deepika do such good roles. She doesn't need to wear a bikini and you know, like do it good on her, but it's not necessary. But war two did so bad, yeah, that there are rumors now that Tiara lost Doom 4 because of it. Now, I don't think it's her fault if War 2 flopped because you gave her a script and she delivered it.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Go talk to your screenwriters and the we we know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

We talked about this before too. Like, don't blame the movies failing on the female because you're Story was bad, like the way you the production was bad. Like, I watched it because obviously it's rhythmic and obviously he looks really good in it, but like it wasn't like it wasn't good. Like, I don't think I don't think war one was amazing, but it was still better than War 2 and it was done better, I feel like. And I feel like War 2 was just like it felt very choppy, and there were like action scenes that were like so slow motion. It was just kind of it wasn't what I was expecting for War 2 because we're I enjoyed War One so much. So it was I don't know. So I don't think they should blame Chiara for that, but Alia, but Alpha, like going from you know, big this huge release um in like in December and then getting pushed this year and all now going to OTT release. I would if I was Alia, I'd be upset too, you know. Like I'd kind of be upset about it. But I guess YRF is trying to like save their losses and not like do this big release and get like because War 2 was so bad, I feel like they're probably just like making sure they don't have like another bad movie and have another loss like that. So I could understand where they're coming from. Alright, it's time for our vibe of the week, Voz. Alright, so um Masin, I'm not sure if you know this, but we do a poll on Instagram. So we ask our listeners to like give us what their latest song is, and we give them a couple options. So this week, uh the song that made it was a song called Chayal. By Thalwinder. I'm not sure if you heard it. It's a really cool vibe to it, really fun, like very slow beats to it. So I really like it. Hayala is really good. And Theluinder has great songs, so I really like it. Yep. Um, and then my bow this week is uh a song that a lot of people have been sending it to me. Uh it's called Shuhag. It's by Tanik Bachi and uh Kiki Motelaba. And it's Bangali and French, and it's so cool, it's such a good song, and I like it.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

Heard it, yeah. We never thought the mixture would go well together.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Everyone's saying that the French and Bangalai sounds really good. So really liking that song. It's on la it's on my repeat list. Um, how about you? What's your song of the week?

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Okay, so you know what? I've been reminiscing about the old songs of Bollyweird, the ones that were all bangers, and they were so good. And I have to say, one song that it's still that is still a banger for me is Love Mira Hit from Below Blue.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

Blue Barber, that is a great song. I actually really love that song. And Dipika looks so good in it too. So yeah, yeah, I do like that song. All right, that's our bath for this week. Masin, thank you again for doing a special episode with us. Um, Kabita will be back next week. Um, give uh give everyone your Instagram handle, your TikTok handle so they can go listen to your other um like deep dives that you've done.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

Yes, thank you so much for bringing me back in here. I love coming in here. You know this. Yes. My Instagram and TikTok handle, basically just my name. It's Masin Zaheed. So many good deep dives coming up. I've started posting again, which is really great. So, and I know that this year is gonna bring a lot more topics for us to dive into and a lot more other things that we're gonna know about the industry, which will help us separate the art from the artist so we don't idolize them.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

Yeah, yes, we love having you, so we can't wait to have you again for another deep dive. Stay tuned, everyone. Don't forget, like, share, follow. See you guys next time. I I there's so many things that you keep not Alia, Kiara. Kiara lost that, right?

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Kiara lost, well, Kiara is also Alia, that's her. Yeah, exactly. You're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Kind of like that.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

But Kiara lost weird. Hima Shashamiya did a movie recently. I forgot, it was like a few years, like two, three years ago. He did a movie, and that was a big hit. Ravi Kum bad Kumar or something. Like Ravi bad something. Had as Ravi. Hadass Ravi Kumar. We are living in a generation where people are going to watch a Hima Shashamiya movie in theater, but will not watch War 2.